When Papsie was still my boyfriend, he had this to say when asked about women's virginity, "Hindi naman importante sa akin kung hindi na virgin ang isang babae. Unang-una, minahal mo siya at niligawan nang hindi nalalaman kung ano ang buong katauhan niya. Nai-inlove ka naman ng di inaasahan, nangyayari iyon na di mo naman alam kung sino talaga ang taong iyon. (It is not important for me if a girl had lost her virginity already to somebody. In the first place you loved the person and courted her not knowing fully who she is. You fall in love unexpectedly, it happens without really knowing first the entirety of the person.)" I was taken aback with those words simply because all the while I had this idea that all men wanted a virgin wife. To this he retorted fast, "Sino naman ang aayaw doon? (Who would not want a virgin wife)" And continued with his opinion that it doesn't mean otherwise that it is a prerequisite for him.
Odd it may seem for me to hear a man with those words; it had me reflecting whether it is really an issue. The attitude of men towards virginity, I believe, is still universal - that they value it more than women valued men's. Though the matter is congruent to a country's culture, tradition and customs, it is still a universal belief that female chastity is a matter of morality.
Together with the fast paced technology coming in the Philippines, almost everybody is aware now that the presence or the absence of the hymen is not an indicator of virginity though historically it was. Virginity is more of the state of the mind. It refers to the unspoiled state - that of being untouched, unexplored or unspoiled. But does it really matter to a relationship? Is it really a big factor for a successful and meaningful bonding?
We go to the question - is virginity still an issue nowadays? I have no idea actually. I maybe guessing depending on the trend today, which are mostly from beliefs evolving from other cultures such as the Western culture. Filipinos are generally mutable. Observe how the F4 fad affected the multitude of the young generation of today (including some of those not young anymore) - from the haircut to the outfit. With this example, one can say that the trend today is you have to be "in". I wonder if that would include how the youth consider virginity. Is it still regarded as a virtue - that is a big question I think?
A 20 plus-year-old chat friend once told me that the girls or the women nowadays are 'hot'. I was a bit affronted by the remark not sure if that was a good or a bad one. And waited for more quips before I give my own. He continued by saying sometimes it is the girls who initiate and they are as young as high school students. That is disturbing to hear but I am not really 'friends' with this guy so I was not sure if he was just blowing his horn. I replied that situations differ and so does people, too. He may had been exposed to that circle of friends where the girls are very liberal with their way of thinking.
One cannot alter the fact that mothers are very protective of their daughters. I maybe considered as one especially about my daughter's welfare. I don't discuss this whole thing about virginity directly but I always remind her that she has to reserve something for herself when she loves so that if she meets the right guy, there will still be more and complications will not affect the relationship. I know that I have to be direct one day but not today. There are still ample tomorrows to chat about men. I might be prepared by that time to elaborate why some men value virginity before a wedding night though not all men highly prized it at all.
I may also be blunt and tell my daughter that some men just wanted honesty but generally, all of them dream of a virgin wife (why the heck tease the girls to bed?) But sometimes I have these lines of thoughts - are these efforts to protect virginity a way of controlling female sexuality? That would be oppressive, on the other hand, don't you think?
Odd it may seem for me to hear a man with those words; it had me reflecting whether it is really an issue. The attitude of men towards virginity, I believe, is still universal - that they value it more than women valued men's. Though the matter is congruent to a country's culture, tradition and customs, it is still a universal belief that female chastity is a matter of morality.
Together with the fast paced technology coming in the Philippines, almost everybody is aware now that the presence or the absence of the hymen is not an indicator of virginity though historically it was. Virginity is more of the state of the mind. It refers to the unspoiled state - that of being untouched, unexplored or unspoiled. But does it really matter to a relationship? Is it really a big factor for a successful and meaningful bonding?
We go to the question - is virginity still an issue nowadays? I have no idea actually. I maybe guessing depending on the trend today, which are mostly from beliefs evolving from other cultures such as the Western culture. Filipinos are generally mutable. Observe how the F4 fad affected the multitude of the young generation of today (including some of those not young anymore) - from the haircut to the outfit. With this example, one can say that the trend today is you have to be "in". I wonder if that would include how the youth consider virginity. Is it still regarded as a virtue - that is a big question I think?
A 20 plus-year-old chat friend once told me that the girls or the women nowadays are 'hot'. I was a bit affronted by the remark not sure if that was a good or a bad one. And waited for more quips before I give my own. He continued by saying sometimes it is the girls who initiate and they are as young as high school students. That is disturbing to hear but I am not really 'friends' with this guy so I was not sure if he was just blowing his horn. I replied that situations differ and so does people, too. He may had been exposed to that circle of friends where the girls are very liberal with their way of thinking.
One cannot alter the fact that mothers are very protective of their daughters. I maybe considered as one especially about my daughter's welfare. I don't discuss this whole thing about virginity directly but I always remind her that she has to reserve something for herself when she loves so that if she meets the right guy, there will still be more and complications will not affect the relationship. I know that I have to be direct one day but not today. There are still ample tomorrows to chat about men. I might be prepared by that time to elaborate why some men value virginity before a wedding night though not all men highly prized it at all.
I may also be blunt and tell my daughter that some men just wanted honesty but generally, all of them dream of a virgin wife (why the heck tease the girls to bed?) But sometimes I have these lines of thoughts - are these efforts to protect virginity a way of controlling female sexuality? That would be oppressive, on the other hand, don't you think?
hija mia, sabi mo dyan palagi ka sa haws ko! ikaw talaga...
ReplyDeletei agree that laying the cards is one fine strategy. that is similar to being honest. but i believe that the times are changing now and people are becoming more and more open-minded.
though it is not really based on my personal experience, i think if a man loves truly enough, virginity is not a woman's market value.
ahahahaha aliw ako dun sa final words! sino nga ba naman ang aayaw dun, ika nga ni Papsie.
ReplyDeleteteka...it's unfair for a man to want a virgin partner when he himself isn't virgin anymore why would it be unfair for a man??? di ba mas unfair dafat sa isang babae yun kung mag de demand ang isang lalaki na dafat virgin pa siya and the guy is not chaste anymore? nahilo yata ako dun, a. explain, explain he he
Well, maybe in rather backward cultures men want a virgin wife. I wouldn't want one. I prefer a wife who
ReplyDeleteI know will enjoy sex and isn't marrying me just to make babies.
Nico, i still didn't get it he he
ReplyDeletesobra bang serious?? daya nito, e, serious ang topic, e.
you hit the nail, dops - love, honesty and compatibility will make a relationship work.
ReplyDeletei just hope that this entry doesnt give that impression that it is okay to flirt and have sex with anyone anytime a woman feels the urge. this is not with the purpose, too, to encourage the young to engage with the act at an early age. God, i hope not a single youngster would misinterpret...
hi Blue,
ReplyDeleteinteresting points of view. i say yes that it is alarming when we just go with the tide though something needs to be addressed rightfully, especially the moral issues.
the double standard prevalent in our country is alarming, too, though it had improved to a considerable degree.
okay ka, Flex J, a! very light ang dating though you certainly have a point saying it shouldnt be a requirement for a happy marriage..
ReplyDeleteblog on!
anonymous #1 that's not my concern as of the present... he he
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ReplyDeletethanks!
backward as a word to describe countries that regard virginity highly is a little harsh, beethoven. nevertheless, i respect your opinion and admire the thought that women are not created just to REPRODUCE but also to enjoy the pleasures of being a woman.
ReplyDeleteoist, K! ano ba ang dafat kung tanong sa 'yo? na devirginize ka na ba nang maaga??? ha ha o nakatikim ka na ba ng virgin?? he he
ReplyDeletekakaaliw naman ang mga anonymous visitors... ginawang market place ang site ko!
ReplyDeletethat is full of wisdom, Jill, especially about #2. i would gladly share this during supper with my kids, or when everybody in the family is around. i think it would serve as a reminder and an inspiration to my daughter, especially.
ReplyDeletehope to see you around again! thanks a lot!
but Jill, i just wanted to add... albeit women are 'worth it', there are unique circumstances that should be considered and understood. some women's experiences are different from others who wait, so i think it is not something to be sneered at but something to emphatize...
ReplyDeletethat is more a pleasant opinion - the Filipinos typify that culture where women are belittled because they are women. that makes me smirk sometimes - the likes of R Puno. he is not even that handsome or attractive to treat women like that. it is really ironic...
ReplyDeletethank you for being honest, Jill. it is not that those circumstances 'require' sex. there are women who are victims. much as they wanted to remain a virgin, situations prohibit them. for example, a rape victim cannot choose to remain chaste before marriage though she may have wanted to. innocent girls held as sex slaves by 'monsters' and they are not even aware of it. women who are forced to enter prostitution because of poverty, etc.
ReplyDeleteyour concern is very much appreciated, Jill. please come often. btw, do you have a blog site?
hi, KU! naks, busy ang in-demand na blogger. oks lang, balae, no problemo.
ReplyDeletewhat generation ba iyon, KU? 70s? what i know is the times before this new generation, conservative ang karamihan ng mga lalaki. you may have belonged to the group na unprejudiced.
hi, rhada!
ReplyDeleteyea, what right do they have? LOL another chauvinist, no?
i just wish that would not be the case. it is frustrating if the youth would resort more and more to nonchalance regarding the worth of virginity.
hi, Kat, you're very right, culture plays a role on how men and women think about virginity.
ReplyDeletemany men prefer not to have the pressure of being 'the first' - it is the opposite that i know, well, maybe from the past decades, that men always wanted to be the first.
thanks for dropping by.
Sorry for taking so long to respond! The kids just started school this week and it's been crazy.
ReplyDeleteI certainly understand that some women and girls, poor things, cannot abstain until marriage because they are horribly preyed upon. ( Having 2 teen daughters, that is one of my worst fears, and I pray they never face that. ) I was talking about *choosing* to have sex or not. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
I do have a blog here on blogger. Come and see me sometime! :-)
~ Jill
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ReplyDeleteFor some person maybe problem, maybe not a problem, depends on the culture.
ReplyDeletefor the persons who do not protect their virginity, maybe it is not a big problem. but for the persons who really protect their virginity, it is a big problem..
i agree, take. that the issue is a personal issue and it depends on how one looks at this virginity issue.
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